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Say that cryonics does work, does it wipe out memories in the process??

Tuesday, November 22nd, 2016

Clinton Township, Michigan: The president of a cryonic facility where a 14-year-old British girl was taken to be frozen has admitted patients may be left with no memories even if they are successfully woken up.

Dennis Kowalski, of the Cryonics Institute in Michigan, said he did not believe memories would necessarily survive after the brain had been frozen for decades.

Media gather outside the High Court in London. Mr Justice Peter Jackson has granted the final wishes of a 14-year-old girl to be cryogenically preserved image www.newcures.info

Media gather outside the High Court in London. Mr Justice Peter Jackson has granted the final wishes of a 14-year-old girl to be cryogenically preserved. 

He said patients could awake as “clones” of themselves, with no sense of their former lives. And he added that he had only a “50-50” belief that people enclosed in the freezing chambers would ever be revived.

Last week it emerged that a teenage cancer patient in Britain had her wish to be frozen after her death granted by a judge following a bitter legal dispute that divided her parents.

A team of British volunteers prepared her body, packed it in dry ice and transported it to the Cryonics Institute in Michigan, one of just three such facilities in the world. The others are Alcor Life Extension Foundation in Arizona, and KrioRus, on the outskirts of Moscow.

Mr Kowalski said the cryonic process would damage the brain, and could wipe out memories completely.

He said: “The question is whether we are saving the person’s identity or their mind. Everything in between is a degree. The analogy would be a stroke.

“Most people who have strokes are happy to be alive. Some people have big strokes, some have small strokes. You won’t have 100 per cent of your mind.

The Cryonics Institute in Michigan. Photo httpwww.cryonics.org image www.newcures.info

The Cryonics Institute in Michigan. Photo: http://www.cryonics.org/

“You could be just like you but without your memory, without the same mind. Like a clone of you.”

The parents of the girl – identified only as JS – had disagreed over whether her wish to be frozen should be followed, so she asked a High Court judge to intervene.

In a letter to the court, she said: “I don’t want to die but I know I am going to … I want to live longer … I want to have this chance.”

The girl asked Mr Justice Peter Jackson to rule that her mother, who supported her desire to be cryonically preserved, should be the only person allowed to make decisions about the disposal of her body. Her wish was granted.

Without commenting on the specifics of the case, Mr Kowalski said: “How can you deny a dying girl’s last wish and take away her last hope?”

But he added that most of the institute’s patients have made their wishes known far in advance.

The scientific community is divided over whether cryonics, which was pioneered by Dr Robert Ettinger, the institute’s founder and – as of 2011 – one of its patients, will actually work.

After the decision emerged, experts said cryonic companies were irresponsible for implying there is a realistic hope that a dead human could be unfrozen, brought back to life and cured of a fatal disease in the future.They said the High Court had made “no assessment of the plausibility of the science” and warned the ruling could encourage vulnerable people to pursue unrealistic hopes.

Clive Coen, Professor of Neuroscience at King’s College London, said: “Irreversible damage is caused during the process of taking the mammalian brain into sub-zero temperatures. The wishful thinking engendered by cryogenics companies is irresponsible.”

Before JS arrived, at least 15 Britons were suspended in the institute’s fibreglass tanks, said Andy Zawacki, the chief operating officer.

The father of the cryonics movement, Robert Ettinger image www.newcures.info

The father of the cryonics movement, Robert Ettinger.

The institute holds 145 humans and 125 pets. Members can contribute $120 annually to reserve their spot, and pay $28,000 to be frozen, most of which can be covered through a life insurance policy. Those fees include the costs of reanimation.

The institute is a non-profit, and only two staff members are paid.

Telegraph, London

ANCIENT 2,000 YR OLD CORPSE STILL LIKE BRAND NEW IN CHINA ALLOWS DEATH CAUSE VERIFICATION IN VIDEO

Saturday, October 8th, 2016

Remarkably preserved body mystifies scientists as to how it was done.

The 2000-year-old corpse of a Chinese woman named Xin Zhui still had pliable organs & limbs

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Henry Sapiecha

People conscious after ‘death’, study shows

Monday, October 27th, 2014

Scientists believe there may be life after death, with a large-scale study showing patients experience real events after their heart stops beating.

Is it possible that there is life after death, albeit very briefly. heart starter in doctors hands image www.newcures.info

The Awareness during Resuscitation (Aware) study, involving 2060 patients from 15 hospitals in the UK, US, and Austria, was the largest ever medical study into near-death or out-of-body experiences.

It was previously thought that only hallucinatory events were experienced in these circumstances, director of resuscitation research at the State University of New York Dr Sam Parnia said.

“Contrary to popular perception,” Parnia said, “death is not a specific moment. It is actually a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs stop working, and the brain ceases functioning – a medical condition termed cardiac arrest, which from a biological viewpoint is synonymous with clinical death.”
The study’s results showed 39 per cent of patients who survived cardiac arrest described a perception of awareness, but did not have explicit recall.

A total of 46 per cent experienced a broad range of mental recollections, 9 per cent had experiences compatible with near-death experiences, and 2 per cent exhibited full awareness compatible with out-of-body experiences including “seeing” and “hearing” events.

One man even recalled leaving his body entirely, and watching his resuscitation
from the corner of the room.

Despite being clinically dead for three minutes, the 57-year-old from the UK recounted the actions of the nursing staff in detail and described the sound of the machines.

“This is significant, since it has often been assumed that experiences in relation to death are likely hallucinations or illusions, occurring either before the heart stops or after the heart has been successfully restarted, but not an experience corresponding with ‘real’ events when the heart isn’t beating,” Parnia said.

“In this case, consciousness and awareness appeared to occur during a three-minute period when there was no heartbeat.

“This is paradoxical, since the brain typically ceases functioning within 20-30 seconds of the heart stopping and doesn’t resume again until the heart has been restarted.”

Henry Sapiecha